Oh, I love this, I do – rather than discus what meat eating and the dairy industry does to us all, as a society and to our environment, let’s talk some more about veganism, a practice so few understand. I may be guilty by association because I eat plants but the people picking my plants don’t need meat for ‘energy to work a farm’ any more than I need meat for energy to deal with stupidity (and I need, it seems, a lot of energy for this as the problem is vast), unless we’re talking about global stratification of who’s working out there so that the U.S. can be as rich as we are and in this, we’re all guilty and I don’t mind people eating meat when they have no other choice to do so because we’re screwing them over, financially but since we do have a choice and, furthermore, can’t all grow our own crops and hire other vegans (the first carrot Alex grew was an inch long and we have no money to make even but sure)...then we, as vegans. practice harm reduction and, comparatively speaking, are as vegan as we need to be and less guilty than some. So, no, I don’t think they have a valid point because, it seems to me, their only point is to relieve themselves of the guilt they are feeling for being meat eaters.